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Root of the problem.

Journal Entry: Tue Jun 3, 2008, 11:28 AM
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This is quite simple. It really doesn't help anything in the event of today's struggle. But i want to get it out of me anyway.

Simply put, the root of the problem is Zionism.

Before the Balfour declaration there was no enmity between Arabs and Jews. Lots of Jews lived in Palestine with their Arab neighbors in harmony and peace.

When the Zionists decided to make a homeland for themselves and expel all Arabs in those lands, thats what sparked the flame.

People might say, but what about the 1948 UN resolution for a 2 state solution?

Let me make this real clear.

Person A : you, living in your house.
Person B: a person you've never met before, whose family was murdered.

If person B comes to your house, kicks you out but allows you to live in his (your) backyard. would you accept and call it fair?

What happened to the Jews in the Holocaust was Terrible, and I'm sorry to sound insensitive but how is that the Arabs fault? If the West felt so bad for the Jews give them a piece of land in Germany, since it was the offender here.

Now answer me, why should the Arabs give up more than half of the land to a minority of Jews who have no tie to the holy land anyway (being European converts) and accept that and call it fair, and be happy about it?

The analogy that comes to mind is of a Thief giving a part of his booty to the victim and expecting him to be thankful.

Let me Quote David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister): "If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

Indeed, why would anyone in their right mind accept that. It defies logic.

And to anyone who is actually buying into the Anti Islam propaganda i have this to say to you:

This is a pure nationalistic struggle.
It has nothing to do with religion. in fact, in the crusades the Jews and Muslims banded together to fight back the crusaders. Jews found shelter in the medieval Muslim world while they were being persecuted in the whole of Europe.

This is a fact, proven by history.

Why should we Palestinians, who have lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years, be evicted from our homes so that Jews from New York can live in them?

At the time of the Nakba, Jews only legally owned 6% of the land that is Israel today. so no they did not do it legally, there was nothing legal about it.

Unless you count scare tactics and massacres against civilians to be fair play. And no, the Arab countries did not issue a calling to all Palestinians to leave their homes.

"The BBC (British Broadcasting Corporation) monitored all Middle Eastern broadcasts throughout 1948. The records,
and companion ones by a United States monitoring unit, can be seen at the British Museum. There was not a single order
or appeal, or suggestion about evacuation from Palestine, from any Arab radio station, inside or outside Palestine, in 1948. There is a repeated monitored record of Arab appeals, even flat orders, to the civilians of Palestine to stay put."
Erskine Childers, British researcher, quoted in Sami Hadawi, "Bitter Harvest."

Now flame me all you want, call me anti Semitic (kind of ironic seeing how I'm a Semite also) but i beseech you to use some logic and dig deep and think. There are no good and evil side here, just facts.

"Those who complacently attribute the Middle Eastern tragedy to resurgent anti-Semitism among disposessed, displaced and humiliated Arabs should know better. They are blaming the victim."
Tony Judt

In the end, i would like to share a Quote by Mahatma Gandhi over the whole issue, think it sums it up pretty nicely.

“ Palestine belongs to the Arabs in the same sense that England belongs to the English or France to the French…What is going on in
Palestine today cannot be justified by any moral code of conduct…If they [the Jews] must look to the Palestine of geography as their national home, it is wrong to enter it under the shadow of the British gun. A religious act cannot be performed with the aid of the bayonet or the bomb.
They can settle in Palestine only by the goodwill of the Arabs…As it is, they are co-sharers with the British in despoiling a people who have done no wrong to them. I am not defending the Arab excesses. I wish they had chosen the way of non-violence in resisting what they rightly regard as an unacceptable encroachment upon their country. But according to the accepted canons of right and wrong, nothing can be said against the Arab resistance in the face of overwhelming odds.
” Mahatma Gandhi, quoted in “A Land of Two Peoples” ed. Mendes-Flohr.

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*ammo-n:iconammo-n: Jun 25, 2008, 3:16:56 AM
kein Problem :-)

scheinst sehr politisch interessiert zu sein!:clap:

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: Jun 24, 2008, 2:22:36 PM
Hehe, so waren die Menschen in der ersten Intifada. Es war ein Symbol.
Sie waren in der Resistance.

Danke für Deinen Kommentar. :)

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*ammo-n:iconammo-n: Jun 22, 2008, 10:33:47 AM
sers
nette gallery:-)

auf deinem ID Foto schaust aus wie ein Hooligan :O

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*pename:iconpename: May 22, 2008, 7:51:21 AM
Thankyou so much for your support for 'Strength' - it means all the more coming from yourself. J.
*pename:iconpename: May 20, 2008, 8:34:58 AM
Love your work. Looking forward to seeing more. : )
~ARTISEAN:iconARTISEAN: May 19, 2008, 10:11:31 AM Mood: Amazed
Powerful gallery...keep up the great work!

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*yori1976:iconyori1976: May 16, 2008, 1:07:11 PM
"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one"


I agree - but I don't see the "if" coming around anytime soon...
Call me cynical, call me a skeptic - but I hope if people could be separated for long enough without fighting they may lose the motivation - and then form one state.

Probably not.
Call me a pessimist. :(

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 12:59:36 PM
Iran isn't an Arab country.
As for Syria, it has always had a hostile approach to Israel, Israel is still occupying Syrian soil btw. And although they hate Israel, they're not going to do anything about it. as they haven't for decades.

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~Iron-Confederate:iconIron-Confederate: May 16, 2008, 12:40:34 PM
Then how come Syria and Iran are taking a more hostile approach towards Israel?

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 11:58:24 AM
Arab nations haven't done anything hostile towards Israel in decades. Infact the governments have been trying to calm the populations down about the whole issue.

As you know Lots of those countries are Allied to America.

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~Iron-Confederate:iconIron-Confederate: May 16, 2008, 11:38:38 AM
Scare tactics my ass, the Arab nations are acting more like dumb kids poking a Jewish rattlesnake with a stick.

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 11:00:30 AM
Well we wouldn't have to worry about that, seeing as Iran isn't stupid to attack without provocation. and yes, just for show. any country that would use it today would be quickly over.

Just scare tactics.

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~Iron-Confederate:iconIron-Confederate: May 16, 2008, 10:58:19 AM
If nukes are just for show, then why do they have the power to destroy an entire city? In fact, Israel said recently that they will use their nukes on Iran if Iran were to attempt to attack the Jewish State.

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 10:41:30 AM
In my opinion i don't think a 2 state solution could work, I'd think a one state solution would be best if done right.

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 10:38:36 AM
Nuclear Arsenal is just for show these days, you should know that.

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~Iron-Confederate:iconIron-Confederate: May 16, 2008, 9:44:06 AM
The reason why Israel's neighbors the sent proxy groups to attack Israel is so that the neighbors wouldn't be vaporized by Israel's nuclear arsenal.

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-*SwissArmyBlade
*yori1976:iconyori1976: May 16, 2008, 8:54:28 AM
I understand that, but I am not sure he would have said the same today. Ehud Barak said that had he been a young Palestinian he would have joined Hammas.
There was an excellent slogan in the "Drive safely" campaign in Israel a few years back: When driving, don't be right, be wise.
As both sides are right, none can get their wish. I think the solution must be in compromise, and I think a fair compromise is that the Palestinian state has east Jerusalem and the Palestinian people forfeit the claim to return to the Israeli people.
I think both sides are getting closer, but I fear that recent influence from Iran is making the local conflict part of the Muslim VS the West conflict, flaming up and preventing compromise.
We know what happened after Churchill said "Peace in our time" (1939) - I keep hoping our stupid leaders will get there!

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 6:39:50 AM
Hello friend, of course i do not despise you for being a Jew. i have many Israeli friends from Hashomer Hazair and NOV with whom i have met with in peace camps along the years.

As for Israel, let me quote David ben Gurion as he can clear it up.

"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp121.

You have a right to live there, but so do we.

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*yori1976:iconyori1976: May 16, 2008, 3:10:58 AM
I would like to thank you for visiting my page - I hope you don't despise me just for being an Israeli Jew (you shouldn't by your featured deviation).

I read your discussion with :iconiron-confederate:.
I agree the fighting started before 1948 and that many Palestinians were "expelled" or "transfered" - the term doesn't matter - these actions aren't right! Please remember the context, though - Israel was formed as a result of a UN resolution, so you can't blame just the Zionists - the majority of the world though it was right and just.
The borders voted in this resolution were not accepted by the Arabs living in Palestine, and they initiated a war, in which the young Israel conquered more land. I have no idea, and can't imagine what would have happened had the local Palestinians agreed to peaceful coexistence under these borders. A similar thing happened in 67, when Israel was under attack from three sovereign Arab states - leading to the current occupation. I was in favor of returning all the land in the 70s, then an extreme left view. Now the public opinion is shifting constantly in this direction, and a two state solution is the norm.

I really hope our political leaders will have the sense to find a compromise.

Please bear in mind - Jews were expelled from Israel about 2000 years ago, and wished to return ever since, but are not seeking the Biblical "Promised Land" - just peaceful existence in the current state of Israel.

I wish you all the best and peace on the world!

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 2:55:13 AM
As i said, they were both created as a result of Israel. If history was different and Israel never existed there would be no need or excuse for Iran to create them in the 1st place.

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~Iron-Confederate:iconIron-Confederate: May 16, 2008, 2:40:32 AM
The problem is though is the fact the Hamas and Hezbollah are puppet entities for the said dictators, what explains that?

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~Palestinian-Pride:iconPalestinian-Pride: May 16, 2008, 2:12:20 AM
Nope, in the end they are fascist dictatorships, and i am as opposed to them as you are.

At least there would be no Palestine issue to furl their propaganda. Most of the Arab world's anti west sentiment comes from this issue.

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~Iron-Confederate:iconIron-Confederate: May 16, 2008, 1:43:21 AM
Israel's neighbors are scapegoating Israel for their problems that they refuse to solve in order to maintain their oppression on their own people. If Israel doesn't exist, the Middle East would still be a zealous piss-filled backwater because the Sunnis, the Shias, the Kurds, and everyone who lives there would still be too busy killing each other than to progress and use any form of reasoning. It is thier religious hatred that they have that made the negative stereotypes towards Muslims and it will be their own undoing when the day that Allah will forsake them because they're a bunch of crazy fucks who put their zealous pride before their own families.

If Israel cease to exist and there is no US involvement, would Sunnis and Shia stop killing each other? Would Iran and Saudia Arabia not have agrudge match for religious supremacy? Would it end your Jihad?

Answer me that.

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Yes, you fuckin' paranoid schizophrenic, I am actually threatening to paint my penis in red, white and blue and fly by plane to Islamabad just so I can stick it in your asshole America style.

-*SwissArmyBlade